不为人熟知的系列残局十九"弩箭离弦"汇选(红方无车型)

老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-27 11:10:57

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-12-30 17:26:24

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-30 15:36
没有撞车！原底卒局第十一回合红方是否也可改走炮八退三？若不能走，则第27楼这一新变就不错，可用！

如果只是移馬  底卒局除了按照原走法外也可炮八退三

所以我把底卒改低卒與高卒兩局解法有大差異  自認是姊妹局

老余標準較高可能認為是克隆局  哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈................

石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-30 16:41:45

还有这局名，大湿有点不满，如果是貂禅偷桃，大湿一定会帮古人弄个完美的

石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-30 16:21:37

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-30 16:08:24

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-30 15:41:57

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-30 08:56
好的，18楼确实改得不错。但黑方那来九路象？这几局的问题真还不少。

1路

老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-30 15:36:45

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2022-12-30 15:46 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2022-12-30 12:02
自認為不錯啊有無問題呢

没有撞车！原底卒局第十一回合红方是否也可改走炮八退三？若不能走，则第27楼这一新变就不错，可用！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-12-30 12:29:10

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-12-30 12:14:28

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-12-30 12:02:30

自認為不錯啊有無問題呢

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-12-30 11:11:00

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-30 09:42
陈兄，各种高卒局已有多局。而且，"红方有车型"仅古谱就有9局之多。若有好思路，要改就改“红方无车型“ ...

我只依照自己興趣改的有很多類似的嗎有沒有撞局呢

老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-30 09:42:58

聨吟客发表于 2022-12-29 23:59
高卒局如何

陈兄，各种高卒局已有多局。而且，"红方有车型"仅古谱就有9局之多。若有好思路，要改就改“红方无车型“。

老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-30 08:56:29

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2022-12-30 09:12 编辑

石川铃华老湿发表于 2022-12-29 21:20

好的，18楼确实改得不错。但黑方那来九路象？这几局的问题真还不少。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-12-29 23:59:55

高卒局如何

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2022-12-29 23:48:55

這樣可否

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-29 21:29:54

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-27 12:21

李盛兴陆曙光改编很好，可维持原着！

石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-29 21:27:18

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-27 12:30

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-29 21:23:38

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-27 11:52

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石川铃华老湿 · 发表于 2022-12-29 21:20:46

本帖最后由石川铃华老湿于 2022-12-29 21:40 编辑

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-27 11:39

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象棋天使 · 发表于 2022-12-29 13:54:31

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-27 12:30

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-29 10:56:17

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-29 10:26:07

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-29 10:11:41

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2022-12-29 10:16 编辑

关于本系列之“红方有车型”，多为古局，数量较多，但棋型工整，大多都能搜出来，这里从略。下面仅给出左右布子相反的两个原始棋局。

老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-27 13:24:06

yjr123 发表于 2022-12-27 13:21
知道书名还会没有找到着法？

此书好像我有，但找了一阵子没找着。

yjr123 · 发表于 2022-12-27 13:21:09

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-27 13:02

知道书名还会没有找到着法？

老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-27 13:02:07

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[DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment0]此局亦有相似之处，但尚未找到着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-27 12:43:25

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-27 12:30:13

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-12-27 12:21:57

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湖艓 · 发表于 2022-12-27 11:59:21

老鸽子发表于 2022-12-27 11:57
发这么一局出来是啥意思？是觉得这类棋局太简单了吗？这里只是记录历史而已，并非创作经典！

没那么多意思，试着推演几步呗！

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