學士瀛洲

聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-10-19 01:17:56

白老師詮注本走法
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-10-19 01:32:08

但不知最後是紅可和還是黑有勝法呢

有些別的詮注本有修改局  但也沒有說原局黑勝
如果黑不能勝為何要修改呢

而且修改局又喪失假象陷阱  我不喜歡

白老師詮注本無修改局結論也只說黑優

幾種詮注本看下來都沒給出明確的結論

而我又棋力不精所以一直搞不清楚此局究竟能不能和

呵呵呵各位同好高手  能否指導以解我多年之疑惑

聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-10-19 02:03:58

我有三種詮注本綜合如下都沒有說到底黑能不能勝呵呵
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-10-19 02:20:58

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陸曙光詮注本的修改局是否有問題
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-10-19 07:23:55

這個改局喪失了假象陷阱
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-10-19 07:28:52

5樓怎麼沒顯示標題呵呵是裘望禹蔣權朱鶴洲三人詮注本的改局

yjr123 · 发表于 2023-10-19 09:19:33

优就是好走一些，但还不足以致胜。
再说明白一点就是和棋。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-10-19 09:30:34

黑優而紅也能守和的江湖局  應該就是不錯的局吧

既然如此  為何上述的其中兩種詮注譜要做修改呢

而且改得ㄧ局紅簡單勝  一局喪失了假象陷阱

這是我百思不得其解的地方 ????????????

但不知還有無其他人的詮注本是什麼狀況的?呵呵

聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-12-5 15:38:42

雪泥鴻爪1中周廣程先生所擬的黑勝法

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-12-5 15:47:33

我棋力低微有看沒有懂

只好慢慢學習

不知各位高手認為這個走法結論是否正確?

第一次有人列出完整黑勝法難能可貴

zhaodi · 发表于 2023-12-13 10:11:37

9楼在原谱中有说明：
如图是《竹香斋象戏谱》1804年版初集第65局“学士瀛洲”，在1817年版为初集第59局，原谱着法为和局，实际上是黑胜。此局经过短暂的序战（俗称“脱帽”）之后，形成红方双炮未过河兵对黑方马炮底卒单缺士的残局形势，黑方的取胜方法具有一定的实用价值
着法：红先黑胜

周广程的着法也有可商榷之处。第9回合改退马捉兵，兵无法保，早形成双炮，红只能苟延残喘

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yjr123 · 发表于 2023-12-13 19:17:18

黑方的取胜方法具有一定的实用价值，但方法却难以表述，书中也不见方法。
黑方确实具有兵种和多士象的优势，感觉上也应该黑方可胜，但作为排局，红方可变之处太多，谱不能尽其变，读者看了和没看一样，归根结底还是要拼功底。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-12-13 19:46:01

yjr123 发表于 2023-12-13 19:17
黑方的取胜方法具有一定的实用价值，但方法却难以表述，书中也不见方法。
黑方确实具有兵种和多士象的优势 ...

真是精闢

沒聽說有攤主擺此局? 應該很適合擺吧呵呵呵

聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-12-13 20:49:39

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-12-14 02:23:57

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-12-14 02:37:41

既然周趙余等高手都認為原局黑勝而幾個改局都不令人滿意
雖然我還沒弄懂黑要怎麼勝呵呵呵也先改一個供參考研究

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2023-12-15 15:11:08

有無撞局呢呵呵呵
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-6 04:38:36

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2024-6-6 05:03:04

17樓能和否呵呵呵

老鸽子 · 发表于 2024-6-8 16:10:37

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聨吟客发表于 2023-12-13 20:49
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